i just noticed you guys are right, TiW is a tournament which has as first priority promove variety so it's pointless, let the thread keep going

What exactly is your problem with a vote?

i mean it's not gonna be our way since its an event which 1st priority is promote variety, so its np

Why should it be *your way*? Honestly this says everything necessary about your mentality.

If you wan't a tournament where you dictate every rule, then i suggest you go host one. A vote is the only fair way to do it here.

we're just lookin' for make it as much competitive as possible but it wont even be that so its np

dont answer anymore pls bcoz i wont

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They do not have the opportunity to **** talk and have a flame war with other contenders. They have an enforced deadline and consequences when causing delay in a multi million dollar venture.

They also have a limited roster unlike our case, they cannot entirely switch out their players for every other match.

Vetos before 1 hour or 30 min sounds fair.. And @javi stop being javi pls.

You know what happens when you have live vetos? You veto, pick a map, then the other clan discusses strategy and who is going to play the new map, trying to get some other player on that might not have been necessary in the originally posted set, who takes which spot and so on... This drags the whole thing out way longer than it needs to, it's been like that the last 2 tiw's and it was the reason i really didnt enjoy them. It seemed like a huge waste of time. Why not force the vetos earlier, so it is clear what's played and have it run more smoothly by giving teams a little bit of time to pick spots and a basic game strategy.
Honestly, the only real reason for you insisting on this can be, that you try to get an advantage by picking weird and unusual civcombinations and not allowing the opponent time to create a gameplan. And you talk about making it competitive... Trying to get cheap wins?

+1 vetos 1hr before

So we gonna just vote on it?

I really cant see any reason whatsoever to do live vetos. The truth is it makes it so much more awkward for everyone including myself, the players, the streamers etc... It also seems as if the majority want them sorted before the set. I think what we should do is arrange map picks and vetos 1 hour before a set.

@Fugs the only cheap win in this tourney is Europe (using RM players), nothing else.

Oh and i understand the 1hr rule, clans with 100+ members needs time to manage the players and decide who plays what, play few practice game and watch some records if there is time left, fine.

That is how RB plans to knock out xCs into the Silver League.

Interesting point of view.